@gnome PS. Just saw this: omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/06/gnome-

This is a terrible idea. The current system layout has a very logical hierarchy (Activities <Current Activity/App>). The hamburger menu applies to the current Window not to the app. Conflating window and app messes up the mental model.

If you could let me know which forum is the right place to voice these concerns, I'd be happy to do so there.

I really hope that this decision (if it's a decision) can be reversed.

@aral @gnome a common complaint is that GNOME apps have no preferences, even though the preferences are accessible via the app menu - which many don't know is there. This change makes the menu much more visible.

Also, generally GNOME apps only use one window.

@brainblasted @gnome The app menu not being used correctly is not the same as the app menu not being useful.

Multiple windows is a core design pattern of document-based applications: everything from Files to Web to Terminal uses multiple windows.

App-wide functionality should be encapsulated in the app menu. Window-based functionality should exist in the window menu. These are different contexts.

Also, the app menu is an invaluable landmark.

@aral @gnome for multiple windows, you have a menu for each one.

It isn't just a few people who've complained about the App Menu. I would say from conversation a majority didn't know there was anything other than 'Quit' in it, and I was one of them. That suggests that the current presentation just simply isn't discoverable.

The current menu also causes issues with non-GNOME desktops, as the fallback is ugly and sometimes not accessible.

@brainblasted @gnome Gnome should not be worried about non-Gnome desktops. The current design correctly encapsulates functionality. The problem isn't the app menu, it's that app developers have not been using it correctly.

Removing the app menu because app developers have not been using it correctly makes no sense to me. The focus should be on better educational initiatives so that Gnome apps adhere to the Human Interface Guidelines and contribute to a consistent ecosystem.

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@brainblasted @gnome @aral To add in on the discussion: These and many other "over-thought" / "some users are braindead and therefore ALL are" fatalistic ideas are the major reasons, why I loathe and hate GNOME desktop and programs as a whole. With very few exceptions, like GThumb2.

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@ginsterbusch @brainblasted @gnome @aral 1. That's not a shining example of adding to a conversation 2. I reject the term 'users' as colonial 3. Regarding your straw men: Design is not 'overthinking'. Striving for consistency, intelligent defaults, usability, and delight in experience design isn't about being condescending about the people who use the things we make, it is about respecting their effort and experience - two pillars of the ethical design manifesto (ind.ie/ethical-design).

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