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EU: All messenger services should be required to interoperate.

Also EU: We will fund opensource software, like e.g. messenger clients.

Also EU: All messengers are now required to scan messages for unwanted content locally, before encryption, and notify the gooberment of such communicaton.

Do they even realize that they literally have to make FOSS illegal if they want people to not be able to choose clients that don't spy on them (regardless of message transport)? The answer, of course, is no.

(And as always, even then it's obviously easy to still use any software you want. So the mass surveillance almost exclusively affects non-criminals.)

@raucao It's the nature of vast bureaucracies. Some facets of the EU are better than others.

@raucao EU is just another part of World Dictatorship

Statism is slavery

Real Freedom hasn't been attempted yet

My bet: they do not. They're legislators, not programmers.

It should be necessary to demonstrate a basic understanding of how technology works before one is allowed to pass laws governing it.

@raucao or maybe some of them (I would assume a tiny minority) do, but they're control freaks and that's their vision of how a digital society should work. top down. animal farm 😦

@raucao Technically, in their proposals, which rely heavily on fingerprinting, the government create lists of hashes that can be stored and checked against locally. I do therefore not so much fear for a privacy concern.

But the hashes also shield users from the nature of the content they check against. That characteristic makes it obscure by design, meaning that the hash list can be intransparently expanded to flag content for other surveillance purposes, such as political oppression.

@paullammers Yes, the whole point is that you cannot trust governments with secret lists for anything, most certainly including censorship or surveillance. Where there's a trough, the pigs will come.

@raucao

> All messenger services should be required to interoperate.

There is no other messenger than EUMSG.

> We will fund opensource software, like e.g. messenger clients.

The carrot.

> All messengers are now required to scan messages for unwanted content locally, before encryption, and notify the gooberment of such communicaton.

The stick.

@mumble_tank VPN is not chat, so that regulation is irrelevant to VPNs.

@raucao i think they do realize, but they don't care. It's just another way to prevent non-controlled speech, and by funding free software they can even say 'see, we provide you with all the tools you need to comply to keep children safe online'.

@lain I agree. And it being easy to circumvent is irrelevant to them. As long as non-technical people may have a shred of doubt, they will self-censor and comply more.

@raucao
The trick is simple: force these mass surveillance functions to be implemented in the OS. Keep clients open and have the mass surveillance seamless in every possible app and protocol.

@raucao My favorite part is their reasoning for doing this would actively make things worse, not better.

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